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Placeholder - more to come! Before I add more content, does anyone know how I can get this into the header for this game so people can access it? Much thanks! Disclaimer to all: I just started this page and have a lot of content, so this will take a few days to make it look nice.

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This page discusses replaying the game again on nightmare mode, and contains many tips along with some relevant content from other pages. There are a *lot* of ways of playing this game, so please contribute your suggestions as well. Part of the allure of playing a Kairosoft game is figuring it out - the help and rules are sparse, so consider these hints spoilers if you don't want to know. High Sea Saga is a bit extreme, it suggests all sorts of ways to optimize teams and battles and organization, however it can take a week to test out some ideas. Coupled with the fact we only have 1 save spot, it makes sense to collaborate with others to see if our ideas have merit or if they will end in frustration and regret. Please make ample use of the comments section below to share progress!

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First off, don't bother trying to replay this game in hard or nightmare mode until you've finished the game on normal difficulty and have gotten bored. There are many reasons to try nightmare mode:

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* You can replay the first 2 countries over 2-3 days and re-live the bulk of the game and then quit.

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* You can upgrade your equipment to obscene levels and finally be triumphant on most of your online battles. (except against the cheaters)

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* And finally ... you may have a high tolerance for pain and want an extreme challenge! As others have noted, there is no new content to unlock, except that some quests have "extreme monsters" added to them.

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While I was able to complete the game in normal mode in about 6 weeks without buying a gold pass or medals, this is not reasonable with Nightmare difficulty. I bought the gold pass for 1 month, and made it to the pirate seas. I'll probably need to buy another month to complete. If you buy the gold pass, I recommend cancelling it soon thereafter so you don't get charged again. For Android, you'll still pay for and be able to play it for the full month, it simply won't auto renew. Why? Medals! Keep in mind you'll probably want to upgrade 2-3 weapons over level 1000. If you use Smith Ticket2 from the special store, it will cost 32 medals to upgrade a weapon (and other items) 9 levels. This works out to be ~3500 medals to upgrade past level 1000, or ~10,000 medals to do it for 3 sets of weapons, armor, etc. Free play gives 10 medals a day, while gold pass boosts that to 30 medals a day. You can use various tips to boost this 15x/day, so gold pass can be enhanced to allow you up to 450 medals or ~100 levels of upgrades a day. At this rate, it will take 10 days to bring one set of equipment up to level 1000 or >30 days to do it for 3 sets of equipment. You're likely to have other things going on in your life and not want to play the game 24x7 so this can stretch out from 1 month to 2 to 3 months. Also, you will have to re-hire your crew if you want to keep them, and this costs medals. The cost is '''much cheaper''' if you have a gold pass!

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'''Phase 0: how to wrap up your normal mode game'''

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OK, let's start with your game in normal mode, assuming you've finished all quests and are getting a bit bored. Here are some tips before you replay in nightmare mode:

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* After level 50, the special store will have "Create Replay Data" for 25 medals. This is a static snapshot of your team when you purchase the replay data. It will add a Replay button to the main screen, and you can use it multiple times to replay the game from this save point. Don't purchase replay until you're ready to move on, as any additional play after this point won't be saved in the replay data. Also, you only have 1 save spot, so once you select replay and start again, it will replace your old save files. If you don't prepare before you replay, you can't go back and try it again!

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* Food is saved, equipment/items (and their upgrade levels) are saved. Great! The last & hardest dungeon gives lots of food. Increase your inventory as much as you can and stock up! I maxed out at 990 slots per item, and have ~400 Kairo Cakes when I restarted. This helps quite a bit in Phase 2, half way through nightmare mode when you need to upgrade/feed your people tons.

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* Money is NOT saved, so spend it on upgrading ship cannons or upgrading equipment. Don't worry too much about $$, it is easier to get in the first part of nightmare mode when you upgrade your equipment lots and win most of the online battles.

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* Ship structures are NOT saved, but it does remember your upgrade levels. I don't know if Kairo points are retained. If I could do this over, I'd suggest selling all your ship structures to get Kairo points before you restart.

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* Your ship is not saved (of course), so you'll need to redo quests, build it back up to level 4 and place down all your ship structures again. I recommend taking it easy and just placing down cabins, holds, labs, and brigs only and playing through the first 2 countries first. If you choose to continue at that point, you can put down a nice ship layout and optimize it a bit.

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* I strongly recommend renaming your characters! For myself, I assigned the first position of each combat team a 1, and the first combat team got the suffix a, the second b, and so forth. I followed it up with a single name. So my first person in my first combat team is "1A Abby", the first person in my second combat team is "1B Bert", etc. This makes it easy to know who's important to rehire first, who should placed in the first row if you get the combat placement upgrade, and who is who when scrolling through the 60 person crew list looking for the right person. I also have 6 people with cook ability (reduce stamina regen time by 10 secs) named Cookie1-6, and 6 people focused on research named Research1-6.

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Good luck going forward, there is no going back!

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'''Phase 1: relive the glory days'''

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For the first 3-7 days, just have fun. Collect as many medals as you can, rehire most of your crew, start upgrading your best equipment, fight and win online battles, and re live the bulk of the game by completing the first 2 countries. I found this part to be the most fun.

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'''Phase 2: ramp up equipment upgrades!'''

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After you finish the 2nd country, you'll notice that things are hard! Time to start upgrading your key equipment as much as you can. It makes a tremendous difference to your player stats. You can save some medals by upgrading base items to their new max and then using them at the blacksmith to boost key equipment to level 100-150. You'll need to drastically update your front line "tanks". If these are people (they are for me), then it pays to wait a bit until equipment boosts your int to the 8,000-10,000 range. More below, but the high int and other things make them learn Melee and other knowledge types *much* faster.

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TBD .. enter key equipment top levels here with a pointer the the equipment page.

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This approach of upgrading equipment mostly works until you get to Pirate Seas. At that point you'll see the classic signs that you're overwhelmed. The monsters hit first, hit hard, and do too much damage before your healers can help out.

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'''Phase 3: improve your front line "Tank" characters'''

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At this point I found I had to upgrade my Front Line characters. If level 1 means that you've successfully completed all jobs, the level 10 means you've done it 10 times, level 20 means 20 times, etc. Once I had my entire front row upgraded to level 10, I started making progress, but still could not complete the more difficult dungeons. I'm working on upgrading them to level 20 now.

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Here's a routine that worked well for me:

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* First do some prep. On the crew list screen go to your front line crew and mark them as "Ship Duties" only. Make sure you have a crew of 6 or so people dedicated to Research, all with the Seer "+2 items research" ability, related skills, and maxed out as Ninja on their final jobs for speed. Make sure all other crew members do not have Research selected to keep this elite crew processing loot quickly. Make sure you have few or no ship structures that use cash in case you leave your system idle for too long. It's also helpful to have a small group of people that try to max out the ship structures.

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* Find a dungeon that gives lots of food, make sure some of your team have the Fisher ability. Aim to max out your holds after each run. Don't battle with cheer on, that way your research team can empty out the hold completely while you do a 2nd run in the dungeon. Do 3-6 dungeon runs.

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* Go back to your Base. Change your front row crew to have only the Hermes skill so they move fast! Let the system idle there for about an hour. When "activity is down", go back to the island with your preferred dungeon.

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* While your ship is in transit, open up the combat teams menu and job change for each front line person. Max out as many jobs as you can, and finish up in a job that allows heavy equipment. This can take 30 minutes, so it's important to do in transit or activity will be lost on your base or your dungeon island. You may need to change the skills away from Hermes and back to "Spear Master, Defender, Hearty" and equip shields if the dungeon is too hard without them in place.

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* Do this base to dungeon routine ~4 times in a day. While it will take all day long, your system will be idle for much of it. After a solid day, you will likely upgrade all your front row characters a level (a full set of jobs).

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* Keep in mind it may take you 5-10 days of this routine to make your front row strong enough to proceed through Pirate Seas.

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* So far my rows 2-5 are all Fiends, and while row 1 are ~level 10 and climbing, row 2 is just level 2, and rows 3-5 are all level 1. My row 1 are tanks with shields and taking almost all the damage, and the frequent healing is taking care of the other rows. I do not plan to upgrade rows 2-5 until I must, as it takes so much time focusing on my first row.

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'''Phase 4: complete the game on nightmare mode'''

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I haven't completed yet. If you have, please share your tips and tricks in this article or in the comments below. Thanks!

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-Placeholder - more to come! Before I add more content, does anyone know how I can get this into the header for this game so people can access it? Much thanks! Disclaimer to all: I just started this page and have a lot of content, so this will take a few days to make it look nice.
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-This page discusses replaying the game again on nightmare mode, and contains many tips along with some relevant content from other pages. There are a *lot* of ways of playing this game, so please contribute your suggestions as well. Part of the allure of playing a Kairosoft game is figuring it out - the help and rules are sparse, so consider these hints spoilers if you don't want to know. High Sea Saga is a bit extreme, it suggests all sorts of ways to optimize teams and battles and organization, however it can take a week to test out some ideas. Coupled with the fact we only have 1 save spot, it makes sense to collaborate with others to see if our ideas have merit or if they will end in frustration and regret. Please make ample use of the comments section below to share progress!
-First off, don't bother trying to replay this game in hard or nightmare mode until you've finished the game on normal difficulty and have gotten bored. There are many reasons to try nightmare mode:
-* You can replay the first 2 countries over 2-3 days and re-live the bulk of the game and then quit.
-* You can upgrade your equipment to obscene levels and finally be triumphant on most of your online battles. (except against the cheaters)
-* And finally ... you may have a high tolerance for pain and want an extreme challenge! As others have noted, there is no new content to unlock, except that some quests have "extreme monsters" added to them.
-While I was able to complete the game in normal mode in about 6 weeks without buying a gold pass or medals, this is not reasonable with Nightmare difficulty. I bought the gold pass for 1 month, and made it to the pirate seas. I'll probably need to buy another month to complete. If you buy the gold pass, I recommend cancelling it soon thereafter so you don't get charged again. For Android, you'll still pay for and be able to play it for the full month, it simply won't auto renew. Why? Medals! Keep in mind you'll probably want to upgrade 2-3 weapons over level 1000. If you use Smith Ticket2 from the special store, it will cost 32 medals to upgrade a weapon (and other items) 9 levels. This works out to be ~3500 medals to upgrade past level 1000, or ~10,000 medals to do it for 3 sets of weapons, armor, etc. Free play gives 10 medals a day, while gold pass boosts that to 30 medals a day. You can use various tips to boost this 15x/day, so gold pass can be enhanced to allow you up to 450 medals or ~100 levels of upgrades a day. At this rate, it will take 10 days to bring one set of equipment up to level 1000 or >30 days to do it for 3 sets of equipment. You're likely to have other things going on in your life and not want to play the game 24x7 so this can stretch out from 1 month to 2 to 3 months. Also, you will have to re-hire your crew if you want to keep them, and this costs medals. The cost is '''much cheaper''' if you have a gold pass!
-'''Phase 0: how to wrap up your normal mode game'''
-OK, let's start with your game in normal mode, assuming you've finished all quests and are getting a bit bored. Here are some tips before you replay in nightmare mode:
-* After level 50, the special store will have "Create Replay Data" for 25 medals. This is a static snapshot of your team when you purchase the replay data. It will add a Replay button to the main screen, and you can use it multiple times to replay the game from this save point. Don't purchase replay until you're ready to move on, as any additional play after this point won't be saved in the replay data. Also, you only have 1 save spot, so once you select replay and start again, it will replace your old save files. If you don't prepare before you replay, you can't go back and try it again!
-* Food is saved, equipment/items (and their upgrade levels) are saved. Great! The last & hardest dungeon gives lots of food. Increase your inventory as much as you can and stock up! I maxed out at 990 slots per item, and have ~400 Kairo Cakes when I restarted. This helps quite a bit in Phase 2, half way through nightmare mode when you need to upgrade/feed your people tons.
-* Money is NOT saved, so spend it on upgrading ship cannons or upgrading equipment. Don't worry too much about $$, it is easier to get in the first part of nightmare mode when you upgrade your equipment lots and win most of the online battles.
-* Ship structures are NOT saved, but it does remember your upgrade levels. I don't know if Kairo points are retained. If I could do this over, I'd suggest selling all your ship structures to get Kairo points before you restart.
-* Your ship is not saved (of course), so you'll need to redo quests, build it back up to level 4 and place down all your ship structures again. I recommend taking it easy and just placing down cabins, holds, labs, and brigs only and playing through the first 2 countries first. If you choose to continue at that point, you can put down a nice ship layout and optimize it a bit.
-* I strongly recommend renaming your characters! For myself, I assigned the first position of each combat team a 1, and the first combat team got the suffix a, the second b, and so forth. I followed it up with a single name. So my first person in my first combat team is "1A Abby", the first person in my second combat team is "1B Bert", etc. This makes it easy to know who's important to rehire first, who should placed in the first row if you get the combat placement upgrade, and who is who when scrolling through the 60 person crew list looking for the right person. I also have 6 people with cook ability (reduce stamina regen time by 10 secs) named Cookie1-6, and 6 people focused on research named Research1-6.
-Good luck going forward, there is no going back!
-'''Phase 1: relive the glory days'''
-For the first 3-7 days, just have fun. Collect as many medals as you can, rehire most of your crew, start upgrading your best equipment, fight and win online battles, and re live the bulk of the game by completing the first 2 countries. I found this part to be the most fun.
-'''Phase 2: ramp up equipment upgrades!'''
-After you finish the 2nd country, you'll notice that things are hard! Time to start upgrading your key equipment as much as you can. It makes a tremendous difference to your player stats. You can save some medals by upgrading base items to their new max and then using them at the blacksmith to boost key equipment to level 100-150. You'll need to drastically update your front line "tanks". If these are people (they are for me), then it pays to wait a bit until equipment boosts your int to the 8,000-10,000 range. More below, but the high int and other things make them learn Melee and other knowledge types *much* faster.
-TBD .. enter key equipment top levels here with a pointer the the equipment page.
-This approach of upgrading equipment mostly works until you get to Pirate Seas. At that point you'll see the classic signs that you're overwhelmed. The monsters hit first, hit hard, and do too much damage before your healers can help out.
-'''Phase 3: improve your front line "Tank" characters'''
-At this point I found I had to upgrade my Front Line characters. If level 1 means that you've successfully completed all jobs, the level 10 means you've done it 10 times, level 20 means 20 times, etc. Once I had my entire front row upgraded to level 10, I started making progress, but still could not complete the more difficult dungeons. I'm working on upgrading them to level 20 now.
-Here's a routine that worked well for me:
-* First do some prep. On the crew list screen go to your front line crew and mark them as "Ship Duties" only. Make sure you have a crew of 6 or so people dedicated to Research, all with the Seer "+2 items research" ability, related skills, and maxed out as Ninja on their final jobs for speed. Make sure all other crew members do not have Research selected to keep this elite crew processing loot quickly. Make sure you have few or no ship structures that use cash in case you leave your system idle for too long. It's also helpful to have a small group of people that try to max out the ship structures.
-* Find a dungeon that gives lots of food, make sure some of your team have the Fisher ability. Aim to max out your holds after each run. Don't battle with cheer on, that way your research team can empty out the hold completely while you do a 2nd run in the dungeon. Do 3-6 dungeon runs.
-* Go back to your Base. Change your front row crew to have only the Hermes skill so they move fast! Let the system idle there for about an hour. When "activity is down", go back to the island with your preferred dungeon.
-* While your ship is in transit, open up the combat teams menu and job change for each front line person. Max out as many jobs as you can, and finish up in a job that allows heavy equipment. This can take 30 minutes, so it's important to do in transit or activity will be lost on your base or your dungeon island. You may need to change the skills away from Hermes and back to "Spear Master, Defender, Hearty" and equip shields if the dungeon is too hard without them in place.
-* Do this base to dungeon routine ~4 times in a day. While it will take all day long, your system will be idle for much of it. After a solid day, you will likely upgrade all your front row characters a level (a full set of jobs).
-* Keep in mind it may take you 5-10 days of this routine to make your front row strong enough to proceed through Pirate Seas.
-* So far my rows 2-5 are all Fiends, and while row 1 are ~level 10 and climbing, row 2 is just level 2, and rows 3-5 are all level 1. My row 1 are tanks with shields and taking almost all the damage, and the frequent healing is taking care of the other rows. I do not plan to upgrade rows 2-5 until I must, as it takes so much time focusing on my first row.
-'''Phase 4: complete the game on nightmare mode'''
-I haven't completed yet. If you have, please share your tips and tricks in this article or in the comments below. Thanks!